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		<title>Comment on Gove&#8217;s Roke &#8220;consultation&#8221; uses figures that do not add up by derekthrower</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/23/goves-roke-consultation-uses-figures-that-just-do-not-add-up/#comment-6044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[derekthrower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Mr Gove&#039;s dodgy statistics a surprise?  We have found that he uses UKtv Gold and Premier Inn surveys to justify his decisions. Perhaps Roke should feel it is lucky.  There will be a time when Gove launches his first Wonga School Academy.  Would be rather apt with his command of figures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Mr Gove&#8217;s dodgy statistics a surprise?  We have found that he uses UKtv Gold and Premier Inn surveys to justify his decisions. Perhaps Roke should feel it is lucky.  There will be a time when Gove launches his first Wonga School Academy.  Would be rather apt with his command of figures.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Channel 5 looking to pull fast one on Croydon&#8217;s petty thieves by mraemiller</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/23/channel-5-looking-to-pull-fast-one-on-croydons-petty-thieves/#comment-6042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mraemiller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 14:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He said he was “casting” for subjects for a documentary.  Maybe they should try the Brit School?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He said he was “casting” for subjects for a documentary.  Maybe they should try the Brit School?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which? brands SE25 eateries among worst in country by David Callam (@DavidCallam1)</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/22/which-brands-se25-eateries-among-worst-in-country/#comment-6041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Callam (@DavidCallam1)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 11:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sean: get real.

If we don&#039;t have enough health inspectors, whose fault is that? Do you blame Council Tax-payers; or central government?

Or do you blame Croydon Council for spending our money badly; for blowing more than £3 million on furniture in its new crystal palace of offices, but not employing enough inspectors to ensure our cafes, restaurants and takeaways are safe places to eat?

Salmonella kills: public health is far more important than feeding councillors&#039; egos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean: get real.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t have enough health inspectors, whose fault is that? Do you blame Council Tax-payers; or central government?</p>
<p>Or do you blame Croydon Council for spending our money badly; for blowing more than £3 million on furniture in its new crystal palace of offices, but not employing enough inspectors to ensure our cafes, restaurants and takeaways are safe places to eat?</p>
<p>Salmonella kills: public health is far more important than feeding councillors&#8217; egos.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Channel 5 looking to pull fast one on Croydon&#8217;s petty thieves by djfisher81</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/23/channel-5-looking-to-pull-fast-one-on-croydons-petty-thieves/#comment-6040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djfisher81]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 10:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no love for Channel 5, and their cynical &quot;documentary&quot; concept deserves ridicule, but I can&#039;t let your &quot;poor grammar&quot; gibe go unanswered. 

Collective plurals are acceptable in British English, although arguably these days they&#039;re used mostly in informal contexts (e.g. sports teams).  Having done a quick Google to check this, I wonder if it&#039;s a journalism/style-guide thing?   Anyway, as you were...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no love for Channel 5, and their cynical &#8220;documentary&#8221; concept deserves ridicule, but I can&#8217;t let your &#8220;poor grammar&#8221; gibe go unanswered. </p>
<p>Collective plurals are acceptable in British English, although arguably these days they&#8217;re used mostly in informal contexts (e.g. sports teams).  Having done a quick Google to check this, I wonder if it&#8217;s a journalism/style-guide thing?   Anyway, as you were&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which? brands SE25 eateries among worst in country by Sean Creighton</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/22/which-brands-se25-eateries-among-worst-in-country/#comment-6036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Creighton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 09:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its easy to criticise the health inspectors. 

The key question is, are there enough to do the wide range of jobs they are expected to carry out? How many of them are there? How many posts have been cut over the last five years? 

I wonder how many health inspectors Croydon currently has and how many have been shed in the last five years? There may not be enough to do the job they would themselves would expect to be able to do. It may be that the inspectors should blitz one of the lowest scoring areas in the borough; and then leaflet all the rest of the takeaways with the results, advice and warnings. 

The other approach is to hold a series of hygiene sessions in each area for owners and staff to help them get their acts together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its easy to criticise the health inspectors. </p>
<p>The key question is, are there enough to do the wide range of jobs they are expected to carry out? How many of them are there? How many posts have been cut over the last five years? </p>
<p>I wonder how many health inspectors Croydon currently has and how many have been shed in the last five years? There may not be enough to do the job they would themselves would expect to be able to do. It may be that the inspectors should blitz one of the lowest scoring areas in the borough; and then leaflet all the rest of the takeaways with the results, advice and warnings. </p>
<p>The other approach is to hold a series of hygiene sessions in each area for owners and staff to help them get their acts together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which? brands SE25 eateries among worst in country by David Callam (@DavidCallam1)</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/22/which-brands-se25-eateries-among-worst-in-country/#comment-6035</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Callam (@DavidCallam1)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 17:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I blame Croydon Council.

In particular, I hope someone will take the borough&#039;s health inspectors to task for their apparently sloppy work. What&#039;s the point of having food hygiene regulations in place if local authorities can&#039;t be bothered to enforce them.

It&#039;s not as if &lt;em&gt;Which?&lt;/em&gt; set the bar particularly high - just three out of five, or a little over 50 per cent is deemed to be satisfactory.

If Birmingham can achieve 4.9, so can we. Which? is right to demand that hygiene scores should be prominently displayed. 

And Croydon should be closing any food outlet that doesn&#039;t score four out of five in surprise inspections - that would concentrate the minds of those food retailers whose grubby habits are a menace to everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame Croydon Council.</p>
<p>In particular, I hope someone will take the borough&#8217;s health inspectors to task for their apparently sloppy work. What&#8217;s the point of having food hygiene regulations in place if local authorities can&#8217;t be bothered to enforce them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if <em>Which?</em> set the bar particularly high &#8211; just three out of five, or a little over 50 per cent is deemed to be satisfactory.</p>
<p>If Birmingham can achieve 4.9, so can we. Which? is right to demand that hygiene scores should be prominently displayed. </p>
<p>And Croydon should be closing any food outlet that doesn&#8217;t score four out of five in surprise inspections &#8211; that would concentrate the minds of those food retailers whose grubby habits are a menace to everyone else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which? brands SE25 eateries among worst in country by insidecroydon</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/22/which-brands-se25-eateries-among-worst-in-country/#comment-6034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[insidecroydon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 15:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve highlighted the worst three because they are the worst three.

The link&#039;s there to the source material. Crush a grape, but can&#039;t click a link?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve highlighted the worst three because they are the worst three.</p>
<p>The link&#8217;s there to the source material. Crush a grape, but can&#8217;t click a link?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which? brands SE25 eateries among worst in country by derekthrower</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/22/which-brands-se25-eateries-among-worst-in-country/#comment-6033</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[derekthrower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 15:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OOOh Inside Croydon could crush a grape.  Still you have not answered why you have only highlighted one location.  Your bluster appears to show that a press release has been taken as a source and you have not bothered to contextualise this information with regards to the whole borough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOOh Inside Croydon could crush a grape.  Still you have not answered why you have only highlighted one location.  Your bluster appears to show that a press release has been taken as a source and you have not bothered to contextualise this information with regards to the whole borough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which? brands SE25 eateries among worst in country by insidecroydon</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/22/which-brands-se25-eateries-among-worst-in-country/#comment-6032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[insidecroydon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s got to be a first - IC accused of not wanting to criticise the borough&#039;s businesses. We&#039;ll print off this comment, Derek and use it to show people next time that we are accused of not signing up to the Croydon Glee Club that sees, hears and speaks none of the borough&#039;s issues.

The report is from &lt;em&gt;Which?&lt;/em&gt;, the Consumer&#039;s Association as was. No one&#039;s ever accused them of conflicts of interest before, either. They are well regarded for solid research, and lobbying for a range of legislation on behalf of consumers. 

The read-between-the-lines message, surely, is to check whether the place where you&#039;ve just bought that piece of cooked food actually displays an up-to-date hygiene rating. Responsible traders with nothing to hide will do so.

And there is a link to the report - you need to pay a fee to access it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s got to be a first &#8211; IC accused of not wanting to criticise the borough&#8217;s businesses. We&#8217;ll print off this comment, Derek and use it to show people next time that we are accused of not signing up to the Croydon Glee Club that sees, hears and speaks none of the borough&#8217;s issues.</p>
<p>The report is from <em>Which?</em>, the Consumer&#8217;s Association as was. No one&#8217;s ever accused them of conflicts of interest before, either. They are well regarded for solid research, and lobbying for a range of legislation on behalf of consumers. </p>
<p>The read-between-the-lines message, surely, is to check whether the place where you&#8217;ve just bought that piece of cooked food actually displays an up-to-date hygiene rating. Responsible traders with nothing to hide will do so.</p>
<p>And there is a link to the report &#8211; you need to pay a fee to access it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which? brands SE25 eateries among worst in country by derekthrower</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/22/which-brands-se25-eateries-among-worst-in-country/#comment-6031</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[derekthrower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 13:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This story appears to have a conflict of interest.  You tell us things are bad, but don&#039;t want to criticise the Borough&#039;s businesses.  Please can you provide a link to the actual scores published by Which.  Norwood Junction is singled out but i do have difficulty in believing some other locatons in the Borough are doing any better.  Rather than highlight just one location wouldn&#039;t it be better to provide the range of scores to inform readers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story appears to have a conflict of interest.  You tell us things are bad, but don&#8217;t want to criticise the Borough&#8217;s businesses.  Please can you provide a link to the actual scores published by Which.  Norwood Junction is singled out but i do have difficulty in believing some other locatons in the Borough are doing any better.  Rather than highlight just one location wouldn&#8217;t it be better to provide the range of scores to inform readers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Countdown to council elections begins in Toy Town gowns by Martin Whelton (@martinwhelton)</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/21/countdown-to-council-elections-begins-in-toy-town-gowns/#comment-6029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Whelton (@martinwhelton)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 12:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much less eventiful than .the mayor-making in the neighbouring borough of Merton, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wimbledonguardian.co.uk/news/10429839.Former_Merton_Conservative_leader_and_deputy_confirm_defection_to_UKIP/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;where the Tories split apart publicly&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much less eventiful than .the mayor-making in the neighbouring borough of Merton, <a href="http://www.wimbledonguardian.co.uk/news/10429839.Former_Merton_Conservative_leader_and_deputy_confirm_defection_to_UKIP/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">where the Tories split apart publicly</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Even in Croydon, the Tories are split over Europe by insidecroydon</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/20/even-in-croydon-the-tories-are-split-over-europe/#comment-6028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[insidecroydon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 12:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thing is, Sean, if you check your calendar, you&#039;ll notice that we&#039;re in 2013. Not 1975.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, Sean, if you check your calendar, you&#8217;ll notice that we&#8217;re in 2013. Not 1975.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Even in Croydon, the Tories are split over Europe by Sean Creighton</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/20/even-in-croydon-the-tories-are-split-over-europe/#comment-6022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Creighton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 07:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with David White about the fundamental nature of the EU. I voted NO in the 1975 referendum and have not changed my views since that it forces  a pro-capitalist model on all its members, preventing countries developing their old alternative solutions. As a former civil servant friend fan of the EU said to me the other day it is rightly controlled by the unelected unaccountable elite of Commissioners. Yes there are some crumbs that are beneficial and others which look good but employers can drive a coach and horses through them, like the work time agreement. Next time you go to a restaurant ask the staff whether they are on double shifts and how many doubles they do in sequence. Work/travel days of 16 hours working in  hot kitchens on your feet most of the time with inadequate rest rooms is no way to treat people, especially when many are low wage and reply on your generosity in tipping. Perhaps David would expand his analysis about the unacceoptable nature of the EU in a  future posting]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with David White about the fundamental nature of the EU. I voted NO in the 1975 referendum and have not changed my views since that it forces  a pro-capitalist model on all its members, preventing countries developing their old alternative solutions. As a former civil servant friend fan of the EU said to me the other day it is rightly controlled by the unelected unaccountable elite of Commissioners. Yes there are some crumbs that are beneficial and others which look good but employers can drive a coach and horses through them, like the work time agreement. Next time you go to a restaurant ask the staff whether they are on double shifts and how many doubles they do in sequence. Work/travel days of 16 hours working in  hot kitchens on your feet most of the time with inadequate rest rooms is no way to treat people, especially when many are low wage and reply on your generosity in tipping. Perhaps David would expand his analysis about the unacceoptable nature of the EU in a  future posting</p>
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		<title>Comment on Even in Croydon, the Tories are split over Europe by insidecroydon</title>
		<link>http://insidecroydon.com/2013/05/20/even-in-croydon-the-tories-are-split-over-europe/#comment-6019</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[insidecroydon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The referendum option is one put forward by any party not prepared - not courageous enough - to include key measures in its manifesto when standing for election.

UKIP says it&#039;ll stage referenda almost to decide what day of the week it is, perhaps because they can&#039;t manage to put forward, in all honesty, a proper schedule of policies when seeking election.

Meanwhile the two &quot;main&quot;, real, parties shy away from stating their true positions on Europe in their manifestos. Why? Can&#039;t they just decide, &quot;We&#039;ll stay in the EU&quot;, or &quot;We&#039;ll come out&quot;? To stand for election and not state a position on this issue is just dishonest.

And dishonesty lies at the heart of Britain&#039;s relationship with Europe.

After all, Ted Heath&#039;s Conservatives sought power and won an election in 1970, on the promise of having a referendum before Britain would go into the Common Market. Hey ho, &lt;em&gt;quelle surprise&lt;/em&gt;, as Charles de Gaulle might have said, and the Tories broke an election promise. It has scarred this nation ever since, and divides their own party at regular intervals.

By the time Harold Wilson&#039;s Labour, with a 1974 manifesto promise to hold a referendum, got round to putting the issue to the electorate, the question had changed: no longer was it &quot;shall we go in?&quot;, by then it was effectively &quot;should we pull out?&quot; 

And the answer was profoundly different.

Heath&#039;s duplicitous move meant that Britain abandoned its long-time trading partnerships with Australia, Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth, in favour of our new &quot;partners&quot; in Europe. Since when the Tories, in particular, have yielded power and influence from Westminster to Brussels.

Now here is a first. I&#039;m with Richard Ottaway on this one. We&#039;re in now. We&#039;ve been in for more than 40 years. Coming out would create untold problems and costs for Britain. Let&#039;s accept that we&#039;re in, get over it and let&#039;s lead in Europe.

It&#039;s about time our political leaders showed some leadership on the European issue, and stopped pretending that a referendum - in which the resources for the &quot;stay-in&quot; option will, just as it did in 1975, overwhelm those arguing to pull out - will change at all the &lt;em&gt;status quo&lt;/em&gt;. As Silvio Berlusconi, or Francis Rossi, might say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The referendum option is one put forward by any party not prepared &#8211; not courageous enough &#8211; to include key measures in its manifesto when standing for election.</p>
<p>UKIP says it&#8217;ll stage referenda almost to decide what day of the week it is, perhaps because they can&#8217;t manage to put forward, in all honesty, a proper schedule of policies when seeking election.</p>
<p>Meanwhile the two &#8220;main&#8221;, real, parties shy away from stating their true positions on Europe in their manifestos. Why? Can&#8217;t they just decide, &#8220;We&#8217;ll stay in the EU&#8221;, or &#8220;We&#8217;ll come out&#8221;? To stand for election and not state a position on this issue is just dishonest.</p>
<p>And dishonesty lies at the heart of Britain&#8217;s relationship with Europe.</p>
<p>After all, Ted Heath&#8217;s Conservatives sought power and won an election in 1970, on the promise of having a referendum before Britain would go into the Common Market. Hey ho, <em>quelle surprise</em>, as Charles de Gaulle might have said, and the Tories broke an election promise. It has scarred this nation ever since, and divides their own party at regular intervals.</p>
<p>By the time Harold Wilson&#8217;s Labour, with a 1974 manifesto promise to hold a referendum, got round to putting the issue to the electorate, the question had changed: no longer was it &#8220;shall we go in?&#8221;, by then it was effectively &#8220;should we pull out?&#8221; </p>
<p>And the answer was profoundly different.</p>
<p>Heath&#8217;s duplicitous move meant that Britain abandoned its long-time trading partnerships with Australia, Canada and the rest of the Commonwealth, in favour of our new &#8220;partners&#8221; in Europe. Since when the Tories, in particular, have yielded power and influence from Westminster to Brussels.</p>
<p>Now here is a first. I&#8217;m with Richard Ottaway on this one. We&#8217;re in now. We&#8217;ve been in for more than 40 years. Coming out would create untold problems and costs for Britain. Let&#8217;s accept that we&#8217;re in, get over it and let&#8217;s lead in Europe.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time our political leaders showed some leadership on the European issue, and stopped pretending that a referendum &#8211; in which the resources for the &#8220;stay-in&#8221; option will, just as it did in 1975, overwhelm those arguing to pull out &#8211; will change at all the <em>status quo</em>. As Silvio Berlusconi, or Francis Rossi, might say.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Even in Croydon, the Tories are split over Europe by david white (@davidwhite020)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david white (@davidwhite020)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 20:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are huge splits in the Tory Party on Europe, but I&#039;m not sure this article has correctly identified them. The real split is between those who are pro-Europe (like Ottaway, Ken Clarke etc) and those who want to leave the EU. Cameron hovers somewhere in the middle, but pushed recently towards those who want a referendum, by the rise of UKIP.

Gavin Barwell&#039;s position seems to me to be perfectly reasonable . He thinks the public should have the right to vote on the issue, but hopes the referendum comes down on the side of the &quot;yes to Europe&quot; campaign. Those of us who witnessed the 1975 referendum remember how much money and propaganda was produced by the pro-Europe lobby, to secure a &quot;yes&quot; result on that occasion, so Gavin&#039;s objective is not pie in the sky.

As to Labour&#039;s position, there are a number of us in the Party who believe it&#039;s wrong to deny the public a vote, especially as we&#039;ve been promised a referendum by all 3 main parties in recent years but it has never materialised.  The issue won&#039;t go away, so it should be put to the people. My own view is that the EU is undemocratic and bureaucratic and does not, generally speaking, advance the interests of working people. We should have an internationalist outlook, but not be part of the EU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are huge splits in the Tory Party on Europe, but I&#8217;m not sure this article has correctly identified them. The real split is between those who are pro-Europe (like Ottaway, Ken Clarke etc) and those who want to leave the EU. Cameron hovers somewhere in the middle, but pushed recently towards those who want a referendum, by the rise of UKIP.</p>
<p>Gavin Barwell&#8217;s position seems to me to be perfectly reasonable . He thinks the public should have the right to vote on the issue, but hopes the referendum comes down on the side of the &#8220;yes to Europe&#8221; campaign. Those of us who witnessed the 1975 referendum remember how much money and propaganda was produced by the pro-Europe lobby, to secure a &#8220;yes&#8221; result on that occasion, so Gavin&#8217;s objective is not pie in the sky.</p>
<p>As to Labour&#8217;s position, there are a number of us in the Party who believe it&#8217;s wrong to deny the public a vote, especially as we&#8217;ve been promised a referendum by all 3 main parties in recent years but it has never materialised.  The issue won&#8217;t go away, so it should be put to the people. My own view is that the EU is undemocratic and bureaucratic and does not, generally speaking, advance the interests of working people. We should have an internationalist outlook, but not be part of the EU.</p>
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